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Khaled Alwarraq (guest) 13 Feb 2019 09:23
in discussion Page Discussions / Per page discussions » LI 20


I would like to do the daily exercise for the Sinuses and clear the nose. I understand I have to massage the LI-20 points and maybe other points. Can I have a diagram showing exactly where the LI-20 point is on the face.?


by Khaled Alwarraq (guest), 13 Feb 2019 09:23

Now in the year of 2017, many affluent and educated Americans have tried some form of Chinese medicine. This group of Americans only represent a small part of the population. When speaking of acupuncture in particular, most Americans will say they hate needles and immediately close themselves off to the possibility of ever trying it, no matter how effective it may be for them. More and more studies are showing that acupuncture, herbal medicine, tai qi, qi gong, regular massage and eating whole foods are the best way to achieve a healthy, longer life. The challenge is convincing the other 98% of Americans who have not tried this natural alternative to let go of their fears and apprehension and give it a shot. I am learning that one way to do this is by introducing Chinese medicine as a whole and not just acupuncture.

When you think of Chinese medicine, just think the word BREATHE, which is what you'll be able to do easier after the treatment. BREATHE is an acronym for many components of Chinese medicine without getting too redundant.

B- Bodywork - Massage, Tuina, Cupping, Gua Sha, etc
R- Review the ROOT cause of the symptoms
E- Eating or Nutrition including supplements and vitamins
A- Acupuncture, E-stim or TENS, laser acupuncture
T- Tai Qi - learning this martial art has unlimited value and health benefits
H- Herbal medicine including single herbs as well as formulas - Chinese and herbs from around the world
E- Exercise - Qi Gong or whatever exercise the patient will comply with. Qi gong is the easiest and doesn't require extra space or equipment.

By introducing the medicine as a whole, the patient can choose other modalities than acupuncture until he/she feels more comfortable and courageous to try it. Once the patient likes and trusts the practitioner, they will be more likely to try new therapies and comply with the treatment.

lina roa (guest) 31 Mar 2017 03:57
in discussion Q & A / Questions and Answers » .

Where can I get this Qian Zheng San in Hong Kong

. by lina roa (guest), 31 Mar 2017 03:57
by Enver TabakuEnver Tabaku, 04 Jul 2015 00:11

I thought I would update you all and let you know that I have been using Drchrono for a while now and find it to be the most complete and versatile option. It has too much american billing and coding integrated, but i don't find it too obtrusive and I was able to make all my forms preset with TCM data such as formulas and single herbs, as well as point combinations, and pretty much whatever else you want. I still find it cumbersome to use an EHR, but the benefits outweigh the minor nuisance that comes with it. I still would love to see other options. My 2cents:)

Sifu Dylan Kirk, TCMP

@Slayde Hawkins,

I am unable to find MD HQ with a google search. Can you post a URL?

I don't know if you've already picked a system, but ours (MD HQ) incorporates a bunch of great features for CAM/integrative medicine (of course, on top of all the standard things you would expect from a full electronic medical records and practice management system). And we're 100% with you on the speed and workflow issue - your EMR should absolutely make you faster! We even have some features that address some of your cons of using an EMR. For one thing, we're fanatical about making sure that you can always get your data back in standards-compliant electronic and human-readable form, so if you ever leave, you can take your data with you. And, while we're based in the U.S., we just worked with a client in Alberta to help successfully complete a Privacy Impact Assessment using MD HQ, so we know all about the privacy issues. In any case, worth taking a look: md-hq dot com.

On our webpage, you might also check out our brief summary of some of MD HQ's features for complementary and alternative medicine practices (under Why Choose Us). Better yet, try MD HQ for yourself on our full online demo (under Resources).

Best of luck!
Slayde Hawkins

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massage therapy by massage therapymassage therapy, 15 Feb 2013 06:56

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s a rule, we would normally define natural health products as vitamins, minerals, probiotics, herbal remedies, homeopathic remedies and traditional Chinese herbal remedies…All can be used as natural alternatives to conventional medicines in the prevention of illnesses and to promote good overall health.Traditional Chinese Remedies in general were made with purely organic components.
This vital step removes the chemicals used in modern treatment methods that have been proven to be harmful to both the body and the environment.

I am currently an AOM student, and did have the opportunity to take a Chinese Medical Language class my first semester. I have found it invaluable! That being said, I would have found it overwhelming to be required to learn point names (pinyin or english) at the same time I was learning point location and energetics. And at that stage in my education it would not have been useful or understandable information. Now, as I'm coming towards the end of my program, I do get a tremendous amount of information from point names, but only as another layer of specificity on top of a now existing framework. Point names are something I do find interesting and useful, helping to provide a certain nuance to point personality. I am planning on devoting much more time to that AFTER nationals!

I have not decided on any yet. I've had a few dialogues pushing some of the medical oriented ones towards having a CAM option, but I suppose the target market just isn't big enough. There is, at least in Canada, still a legal obligation to sign a legal contract with any EHR system when they are storing your files. If you use a local system, it remains your own legal responsibility, but as long as the system is on-line, it should meet all the legal standards, regardless of grants. I have decided to wait for a bit longer until some of these systems mature a bit more or another system that meets my needs comes up. I think Dr. Chono is closest. For me it is all about workflow. The input of data, and ease of use for the patients is the most important. It should save time rather than add time. PF does have on-line scheduling, and voice dictation, but it is sooo clunky and cumbersome to use. If they could streamline the site to be fast and light, it would work just fine on an ipad or other tablet.

Sifu Dylan Kirk, TCMP

I am having the same exact battle! Wondering if you settled on one and what your thoughts were. Looks like the advantages of dr chrono are voice dictation, online scheduling, and app already made for iPad. Cons are the costs, abou $150 for a multipractitioner office. PF is free but lacks above. All in all we don't qualify for tax incentives so it's a non issue who's certified etc. wondering if you found the templates on either easy for Tcm?


by Hillary (guest), 02 Jul 2012 04:54

Great to see you here Dave! Thanks for your input:)

Sifu Dylan Kirk, TCMP

The post title says it all, what do you think?

Sifu Dylan Kirk, TCMP

InnerQiDave (guest) 28 Mar 2012 18:17
in discussion Traditional Chinese Medicine / Acupuncture » Acupuncture point nomenclature

Re: Acupuncture point nomenclature

I think both the western numbering system and the pinyin names should be learned along with their translations. A lot of information is contained within the name of acu-points which can help students memorize anatomical location or specialized functions. Furthermore, if students have any opportunity to study in China, the interpreters will not know the number system there. It might be a bit much to be tested on the Chinese names so I don't believe that it should be made mandatory, other than the main points used on each channel (ie the jing-well, ying-spring… xi-cleft etc., the influential points, the front-mu and back-shu points) and the extra points (especially since there is no standardized numerological system employed for the extra points).

During my herbal training I was responsible for learning the Latin and Pinyin names of medicinals. I've found this to be a valuable tool in my practice and research. The main difficulty I experience is in remembering the common names!

David S. Surman DTCM

by InnerQiDave (guest), 28 Mar 2012 18:17

EHR/EMR (Electronic Health Records/ Electronic Medical Records) are making a big splash in medical fields right now. This is partially because of growth in technology that allows for it but also it is a question of best practices; what is best for the patient?

I am considering moving from the old paper/file format for a few reasons:

  • Clean and professional
  • Intragrative system of booking/case management/and payments
  • Better more effective communication among practitioners.
  • Future standard friendly
  • Templates and forms for wider ranges of use (for example: you can have 10 different types of forms/templates easily instead of a one-size-fits-all)
  • mobile access anywhere anytime
  • One of the biggest reasons is long term tracking of complex cases and drug/herb interactions and long term tracking between multiple practitioners to analyse metadata. This leads to the next point:
  • If we we truly want integrative medicine, this facilitates the best means of cross referral communication.


  • Biggest con is privacy. It is of greater concern to patients when files are kept electronically.
  • Some learning curve of use.
  • Lack of certain functions like drawing diagrams or areas of pain.
  • Incompatibility between different software versions may make importing/exporting/backing up/ or changing EHR system difficult or impossible.
  • Some practitioners may not be willing or open to use such a system.
  • Most systems are designed for Western Medicine and as such, need re-modeling to fit a TCM practice.

These are what I am looking at:

What do you think?

Sifu Dylan Kirk, TCMP

:) that is the question isn't it. It is a-lot to take in, especially for a first year student. There is so much that is contained in the name of an herb or point but just how much can a student digest in the 120 hours or so of that class.

Would it be easier if it was the english translations? Perhaps if they were standardized with the great work that has been done by people like Nigel Wiseman we could eliminate some of the confusion in translation and make it easier to remember by being English terms.

A lot of the issue lies in communication. Pinyin for herbs are standard so that a practitioner can effectively communicate with an herbalist in ordering prescriptions. And in the past, most herbalists dealing in Chinese Herbs were….well….Chinese. I'm not sure that is still the case though. It has been around in the west long enough that there are many companies that deal with them. Nevertheless, standardizing nomenclature is an important aspect of communication in any profession, especially health care. I do however, feel somewhat stunted in being required to know only point numbers while those trained in China are learning the names. Somehow it is saying, "nah, that's too hard for you to learn all that, we'll make it real easy for you".

And what if in learning herbs we developed a simple numbering system, for example REH1, REH2, where REH = Release Exterior Heat? Would that improve or take away form the practice of TCM?

How much Language study would be necessary to learn Acupuncture points by their Chinese names? Is it realistic? Is it Necessary? Would that time be better spent learning other topics in more depth?


Sifu Dylan Kirk, TCMP

Hmm, fair enough. But now you have me stumped… In this case, as a westerner studying TCM, one of the FIRST courses we should be required to take, is a Chinese language course. By no means an i against having to learn the pinyin for the points. It is Chinese Medicine that 'we' are studying so we should know the there pinyin names. But without some kind of background 700+ pinyin names for herbs and points, (not to mention other all the other words we learn) plus the translations, it is challenging. So i think definitely a course in TCM language would be beneficial to learning the pinyin names. Then it would be fair to make the pinyin names a requirement!

And in relation to Chinese herbs, where we are required to learn the Pinyin names for 300+ single herbs and 200+ formulas, the students can learn that so why not points?

Sifu Dylan Kirk, TCMP

Not required for an acupuncture program, but if a student is in the Doctor of Chinese Medicine program, then possibly.

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